This post was inspired because I was told the return of Christ was a periphery truth. In other words, not that important. Of minor relevance.
That always lights a fire under me.
Jesus had much to say about His return. It is mentioned often throughout scripture.
Why should we spend time studying the return of Christ? The first and foremost reason is because it is the great hope of the church! Second, it is one of the great truths of the Bible. Third, it is part of growing in the grace and knowledge of Christ, something we are expected to do and God's expectations of us are found in His commands. What He commands us to do is always for our benefit. Because of all those things we need to study it. There is disagreement within the body of Christ but truth can be found and when you see it, it is thrilling, because you begin seeing it all throughout scripture.
I was also told the tribulation was God's judgment on the ungodly. Does the Bible support that?
Grab a cup of coffee and let's search for truth together regarding the return of Christ!
If this is a subject you have never really dug into before, I would encourage you to look up the verses I lay out, if I don't give the actual text itself. If you are very familiar with this subject, please read along and let me know where I may be in error.
We're going to search for truth by asking some questions and then digging into what the Bible has to say.
Let's get biblical together!
Ready?
- Is Jesus instruction on His return really for me? Should I really be watching for His return?
- Does scripture anywhere call all of Daniel's 70th Week, the tribulation?
- Is the great tribulation God's judgment on the ungodly?
So we have false Christs and wars and rumors of wars, famine and earthquakes as this seven year period unfolds. Then at the midpoint, when Antichrist exalts himself as God, great tribulation will break out against those who are willing to identify with Christ and refuse to worship Antichrist. It is going to be the worst affliction ever to come upon God's chosen ones. The great tribulation is not God's judgment on the ungodly.
- Can the fifth seal martyrs in Revelation 6:9 shed any more light on this?
They are given an answer to their question. Rev. 6:11 - "...they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also."
God's avenging wrath against the sinful acts to His elect, and much more sin, would come after the number of martyrs was complete. God's judgment cannot be falling during the great tribulation or He would be breaking a promise. He would be killing His own! Believers are not destined for God's wrath. Jesus suffered God's wrath for the elect. The great tribulation is man's affliction on man. The great tribulation is the hatred of Satan's offspring towards those who have put their trust in the One who crushed their master's head. Mt. 24:9,10 - "Then they (man) will deliver you (man) to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations (man) because of My name. At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another."
- When does God's wrath begin?
"I looked when He broke the sixth seal,
and there was a great earthquake;
and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair,
and the whole moon became like blood;
and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind.
The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up,
and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Then the kings of the earth
and the great men
and the commanders
and the rich
and the strong
and every slave
and free man
hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains;
and they said to the mountains and to the rocks,
"Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb;
for the great day of their wrath has come,
and who is able to stand?"
The fifth seal calls for God's wrath. The sixth seal announces it!
- How do we determine where the sixth seal occurs during Daniel's 70th Week, the announcement of God's wrath?
We can also verify this by comparing Revelation 6 and Matthew 24. Both passages contain references to the cosmic signs of the sun, moon, and stars going out.
In Mt. 24:29 Jesus instructs that "immediately after the tribulation THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED,
AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken."
Here is Revelation 6:12-13 again:
"I looked when He broke the sixth seal,
and there was a great earthquake;
and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair,
and the whole moon became like blood;
and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind."
The world is going to be plunged into darkness signaling God's wrath is about to fall. This sudden darkness will also signal the end of the age, the cutting short of the great tribulation, and the return of Christ with His angels to gather the elect. (Mt. 24:29-31) It is very important that we remember that Jesus said the days of great tribulation would be cut short for the sake of the elect. (Mt. 24:22) The Greek word for "cut short" is kolobo. It means to shorten, abridge, or curtail and can be translated as shorten or cut short. So the great tribulation will not run the entire second half of Daniel's 70th Week. It will be curtailed otherwise all the elect would be killed. Christ would have no one to return to! This means the opening of the sixth seal, the announcement of God's wrath falls somewhere after the midpoint but before the end of the Week.
This is a good time to look at what Jesus says in Luke 18:7, 8. This is a great parallel passage to the fifth seal.
"Now, will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry out to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them? I tell you that He will bring justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?"
He will find faith, but not much. Many will fall away and many of the elect are going to be killed. But when He brings them justice, it will be swift.
And take a look at 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10. It supports Mt. 24 and Rev. 6, where we have affliction taking place against God's elect and then God's wrath starts to fall:
"For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed."
- If the church is subject to great tribulation but not destined for wrath, can we find a reference to it in heaven after the sixth seal?
Revelation 7:1-8: The 144,000 are sealed. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.
Then John sees a great multitude which no one could count, from every tribe, people, tongue, and nation. (Jesus said to make disciples of all nations right before He returned to the Father.) This great multitude is standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They are in white robes and have palm branches in their hands. They are crying out, "Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."
John wants to know where this great multitude came from. In Revelation 7:14 he is told they came out of the great tribulation. The "mega thlipsis." Same Greek words here as used in Mt. 24! The "mega thlipsis" that had been cut short for the sake of the elect.
This is none other than the afflicted-gathered elect, the raptured church, right where they should be! They are in heaven, as Lamb is getting ready to pour out His wrath. In Revelation 7:16 we are told this multitude will hunger no longer, nor thirst anymore. The number of the elect martyrs was complete. The Lamb opened the sixth seal. The great tribulation was cut short. The earth was plunged into blackness. The end of the age had come.
Do you remember Christ's words to the church before He went back into heaven to make intercession for us?
"I am with you always, even to the end of the age" - Mt. 28:20.
The church, not destined for wrath is now with the Lamb.
The Lamb is getting ready to pour out His wrath.
The Lamb is getting ready to bring justice to His elect.
The Lamb is getting ready to deal out retribution, to pay back affliction with affliction.
Are you still skeptical about whether this great multitude is the church?
In 1 Cor. 15:20-23 we are told by Paul that the resurrection takes place at the return of Christ.
"But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming."
In John 6:40 Jesus said that it was the will of His Father, "that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day" - at the end of the age, when He returns and gathers the elect!
The church is going to enter the great tribulation. The church will not be raptured before the beginning of Daniel's 70th week. But the church is not destined for God's wrath.
Now look what happens at the opening of the seventh seal...
Revelation 8:1: "When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour."
The great multitude has stopped singing praises to the Lamb.
The angels fall silent.
Something really, really big is about to happen.
John sees seven angels. Seven trumpets are given to them. After the first trumpet is blown, hail and fire mixed with blood is thrown down to the earth and a third of the earth was burned.
Now this is God's wrath!!!
So for the remainder of Daniel's 70th Week God's wrath is poured out onto the earth. God poured out His wrath on Jesus for the sinfulness of the elect. The church, God's elect, is safely in heaven when He pours it out on the earth.
Let me give you one more reference to the cosmic signs that we saw in Mt. 24 and in Rev. 6. It is found in Joel 2:30-31:
"I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth,
blood, fire, and columns of smoke.
The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon into blood
before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes."
- What is the day of the Lord?
A study of the day of the Lord passages also sheds light on the return of Christ.
(Now might be a good time to warm up your tea or coffee. Just don't forget to come back.)
The day of the Lord is His judgment and destruction of ungodly men. (2 Peter 3:7)
Isaiah 2:10-12 tells us it is also when man will be humbled and the Lord alone will be exalted.
"Enter the rock and hide in the dust from the terror of the LORD and from the splendor of His majesty. (Remember the sixth seal?!) The proud look of man will be abased and the loftiness of man will be humbled, and the Lord alone will be exalted in that day. For the LORD of hosts will have a day of reckoning against everyone who is proud and lofty and against everyone who is lifted up, that he may be abased."
Antichrist, at the midpoint of the Week, will exalt himself as God. (2 Th. 2:4) During the day of the Lord, Antichrist will be brought down along with all the ungodly and all the scoffers, and the Lord only will be lifted high.
Malachi 4:1 also has a reference:
"For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evil doer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze, says the LORD of hosts."
Peter said the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. (2 Peter 3:11)
Remember the seventh seal and the first trumpet?!
Paul says the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night, but not for believers. We are not in darkness that the day would overtake us like a thief. (1 Th. 5:4)
It will come like a thief for unbelievers.
While they are saying, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction will come upon them. (1 Th. 5:3) They are saying peace and safety because they are not suffering affliction under the rule of Antichrist, like believers. They have aligned with Antichrist, taking his mark, so they can proceed with normal, every day life, buying and selling, working, earning money and running businesses. They are the ones who are marrying and giving in marriage like the ungodly did in the days of Noah before the judgment by flood came. They will be scoffing and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming?"
God's wrath against sinful mankind first came in the form of the world-wide flood, except Noah and the members of his household found undeserved favor with God. God's wrath will come again in the form of fire. All the elect who have God's undeserved favor on them during the day of the Lord will either be in heaven with Him or will be under God's protection on the earth.
The Thessalonians, suffering affliction, had been misled that they were in the day of the Lord. They thought they had missed the return of Christ and the gathering of the church. Paul wrote to them that they couldn't be in the day of the Lord because the great departure from the faith had not taken place nor had the man of lawlessness been revealed. Antichrist had not taken his seat in the temple, exalting himself as God. The return of Christ and the rapture would take place after those things happened. (2 Th. 2:1-4)
When the man of lawlessness is revealed, the church will enter into the great tribulation. The look-a-like believers will fall away. The true elect will suffer great affliction. It is not God's judgment. The cosmic signs will occur at some point before the end of Daniel's 70th Week, announcing the day of the Lord, announcing the end of the age, announcing the end of the great tribulation, announcing the return of Christ, announcing the gathering of the elect, announcing that God's wrath is about to fall. When the cosmic signs occur, believers are to look up because the blackness and the shaking of the earth is announcing the drawing near of the Savior. (Luke 21:25-28) The skies will open up and we will see our Deliverer. But as the earth quakes, as the earth is plunged into darkness and the heavens are opened up, the ungodly will realize that God's judgment is coming upon them, sudden destruction! No more peace and safety! They will be crying out for the rocks to fall on them!
Genesis 1:14 should be mentioned here.
"Then God said, 'Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and for years.' "
One star announced Christ's first coming to be the Sin Bearer for the elect. The sun, moon, and all the hosts of stars will announce His return for the gathering of the elect and the judgment of the ungodly and the unrepentant.
Let's recap.
The week begins with a signing of a covenant. Will we see that? It is not one of the things for which Jesus said to watch. It is possible then that we won't. But we will see wars and hear of wars, we'll experience and hear of earthquakes. We'll experience and hear of famine. We'll experience and hear of false Christs. Those who are alert and watching will see and know exactly who Antichrist is. He will be revealed at the midpoint of Daniel's 70th Week. Great tribulation will break out against God's elect. God's elect will be killed, but not all. Then the great tribulation will be cut short. We'll know its over when the world is plunged into darkness on a bright day. If it is night in our part of the world, a milky white moon will turn red and the stars will fall from their place. If we are asleep, we'll be woken up by a massive quake.
Of this day, no man knows, or the hour. But it will fall somewhere in the second half of Daniel's 70th Week. After Antichrist is revealed. When the number of the elect martyrs is complete, Christ will return and gather the elect. Then, for the remainder of the week, through the sounding of the trumpets and the pouring out of the bowls, ending with Armaggedon, God's wrath will fall. Revelation 16:17 - "Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl upon the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple from the throne saying, "It is done."
DANIEL'S SEVENTIETH WEEK=Signing of covenant/Beginning Birth Pangs>>>Great Tribulation>>>God's Wrath
Christ's return/the rapture falls in between the Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord's wrath, somewhere in the second half of Daniel's 70th Week.
These are truths I see being supported all over scripture now...
Romans 8:33-39 has taken on such wonderful meaning to me, but I'll let you look it up.
11 comments:
This is all very fine, and I don't think anything that God placed in the Bible is secondary. Nada, zip, nothing. It is all important or He would not have put it in there.
The tribulation period is totally focused on Israel; God's chosen. This is their time to repent and be saved.
I could spend an enormous amount of time researching how to present my case (although I have no stand on pre-mid-or post), but inclined to Pre. However, I am spending my time in relationship with Christ and learning to abide in Him in order to proclaim Christ through the arts.
There is not a definitive answer to this unless you want to use subjective reasoning and find it.
Something that divides the brothers and sisters is not a Godly persuit unless misunderstanding it would cause someone to stumble or sin.
As for "worrying" that someone will not be prepared for tribulation, the Holy Spirit is quite capable to preparing those who are His. Worry is a diversion from what is important.
I pray that we will all spend our time and energy, filled with the Spirit and proclaiming Christ.
The return of Christ is the great hope of the church, Kathy, and your time spent studying it not only promotes truth, but draws you into a greater longing and closer relationship to the One who is returning to gather His bride. The thought that studying God's Word does not lead to truth or a definitive answer is disheartening and truth be known, show me a doctrine that because of man's sinful perspective is not divisive. If that would stop man from studying scripture, we would have shelved the Bible centuries ago. As for worrying - I call it love. Lovingly warning, just as you see Paul, Peter, and the gospel writers, is hardly a waste of time and energy, but a God-given calling.
Keep up the good work.
Mom, I love how much you love the Word. I don't think that I have seen you in the past couple years without your Bible with you wherever you are, whether it be church, home, the laundry mat, in the mornings at my house when I go to work or in the car (when someone else is driving of course). I want to love the Word as much as you do! I know that when someone has a spiritual question you go immediately to scripture to find the answer not just give an answer based on your own opinion or something you have heard from someone else. If people will take the time to read what you have written about Christ's return then they will find that what you believe is not based on your own opinion but soundly in scripture. I don't understand how anyone could say that studying Christ's return is an ungodly pursuit just because some others might disagree with you. His return is a believer's hope! Because His return is my hope I want to know as much as I possibly can about it! Studying His return doesn't make you a less effective Christian, it's the exact opposite. You are a perfect example of that mom. Ever since you have been studying Christ's return your love for the Word has deepened so much and has made you a more bold witness for Christ.
I love you mom! Keep searching the scriptures!
Wow! Kathy, Why did Kristen and Annie jump to your defense as though you were being attacked and needed to be bolstered up in order to survive this attack? Moreover,the comments have nothing to do with what I posted. I think you know that because you have not responded. You know I comment with you in the love of Christ; however, just in case there is further misunderstanding, Oswald Chambers says things so much better than I. In his October 24th sermon from "My Utmost For His Highest" I quote:
THE VIEWPOINT
"Now thanks be to God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ." 2 Corinthians 2:14
The viewpoint of a worker for God must not be as near the highest as he can get, it must be the highest. Be careful to maintain strenuously God's point of view, it has to be done every day, bit by bit; don't think on the finite. No outside power can touch the viewpoint.
The viewpoint to maintain is that we are here for one purpose only, viz., to be captives in the train of Christ's triumphs. We are not in God's showroom, we are here to exhibit one thing - the absolute captivity of our lives to Jesus Christ. How small the other points of view are - I am standing alone battling for Jesus; I have to maintain the cause of Christ and hold this fort for Him. Paul says - I am in the train of a conqueror, and it does not matter what the difficulties are, I am always led in triumph. Is this idea being worked out practically in us? Paul's secret joy was that God took him, a red-handed rebel against Jesus Christ, and made him a captive, and now that is all he is here for. Paul's joy was to be a captive of the Lord, he had no other interest in heaven or in earth. It is a shameful thing for a Christian to talk about getting the victory. The Victor ought to have got us so completely that it is His victory all the time, and we are more than conquerors through Him.
"For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ." We are enwheeled with the odour of Jesus, and wherever we go we are a wonderful refreshment to God.
Marsha,
I am a friend of Kathy's who appreciates her studies and her writing. I felt that your comments seemed a bit discouraging and I wanted to encourage her to continue on in her writing on the return of Christ. Why I felt the need to do this? Simply the love of a friend. I wouldn't want to put words in Annie's mouth, but I think I can safely assume that Annie was responding defensively out of love as well.
There is a strong movement in the church today to discredit the study of doctrine. It began with what is being called the "emergent movement" and now I feel it falls more under the label of political correctness than a movement.
Paul, in I Timothy 4:16, instructs Timothy to "...watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers." Obviously only Jesus saves, but I think there is a lesson to be learned from Paul. Good doctrine saves - saves us from a lot of sinful choices and I believe that in the last days, good doctrine will also save some of those who are watching and properly prepared.
Paul also says in II Timothy 4:3 that a "...time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." I believe we see this today in the church.
You felt the freedom to respond to Kathy's writing and so did I. If I have misunderstood what you were saying, then please forgive me. Doctrine and the study of the scriptures is an honorable activity - Psalm 119 tells us why.
I don't know what Kathy is thinking, I just wanted to speak for my own words.
Kristen
Amen Kristen, We are in complete agreement on the slippery slope that many churches are on and I think you can see that in what I wrote.
Kathy knows what concern I was addressing and it was not about studying scripture.
I should have not posted on such an open forum because you nor Annie have the history of what Kathy and I have said to each other, so I apologize for that.
Admonishment builds up the body, so I do not apologize for that. I would welcome an admonishment from Kathy at any time. Ilove her and see her as a Godly woman. Ha ha..This is Kathy's blog and we are talking about her as if she weren't here. Sorry Kathy!
Hi Marsha!
I too, like Kristen, really appreciate how much my mom digs into the word. I too felt that your comments were a little discouraging so I just wanted my mom to know how much I appreciate her digging into the Word. "Something that divides the brothers and sisters is not a godly pursuit unless misunderstanding it would cause someone to stumble or sin." Maybe I misunderstood what you meant there and if so I apologize. It did seem that you were discouraging my mom from her studies of end times.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, or correction, for instruction in righteousness..."
2 Timothy 3:16
Sweet, sweet Marsha! I truly do love you and I am not leaving these comments because I am upset with you. I appreciate your joy and your love for the Lord through your art work and service at church. I hope I will still get one of your GREAT hugs on Sunday morning! :)
Kathy,
Thank you for your Blog, your study, and your willingnes to share your heart. Truth is truth, and that is where our hope lies. I also know Kristen's heart on this, and the two of you are a great encouragement to me to keep digging and studying. One of the best things I ever learned came from the understanding that Scripture never contradicts itself, and so, if we are told by Christ himself to watch for certain signs, and they are given in the same order as taught in other parts of Scripture, it's hard to argue with God's intended meaning. Your sweet & gentle spirit (joined to strong conviction) is always an encouragement to me, and Marsha, if you are involved in study with Kathy, you are a very blessed friend indeed! Wish I could sit in on some studies with her as I am privileged to do now with Kristen!
Persevere in the Word, and in seeking truth & sharing it!
In Christ Alone,
Laurie
Thanks, all, for your loving encouragement.
Marsha, please know you are welcome here, anytime! I hope you will stick around, do some exploring, and let me know what you think.
I truly enjoyed the intense post that Kathy wrote and the informal debate (discussion) that followed by the commenters. Its a marvelous freedom that we have to be able to turn to the Scriptures and search out the truth. Its our job to plant the seeds, to be encouragers, to love the lost so much that we want to reveal all that we learn as we study. Never compromising what the Word teaches us and to heed the warnings that we are given. And to continue to deepen our knowledge and love for the Lord by delving deeper in the Scriptures.
Welcome to Overcomer, Nancy! What privilege we have as His children to immerse ourselves with Him in His truth. It is good to encourage each other in that. May He bless your heart with great joy as you seek Him.
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